Left 4 Aidan Discussion

Published on December 4, 2008 in General Stuff and PC Gaming. 95 Comments

There’s been a lot of discussion about the Left 4 Aidan post… let me just clarify some things here:

My son knows the difference between good words and bad words… he corrects me when he hears me say one of them (which I normally avoid around him).

He also knows that violence isn’t good and that we shouldn’t do it. When my wife gives me a love tap (a soft punch in the arm for saying something she doesn’t like) he tells her to say sorry.

Additionally, Aidan is very aware of the difference between video games and reality. His interaction with people in games and people in real life are polar opposite.

You know how he knows these things? Because he’s AWARE of them and we teach him whats wrong and whats right.

You know what doesn’t teach kids? Making them naive by sheltering them from what you feel is wrong. Everyone will eventually encounter foul words and violence, whether it be in school or on TV. So you go about your business and try to hide your kids from all that you feel is evil and see how much they are shell-shocked when reality finally catches up to them and kicks them in their fucking face.

Anyone trying to come off saying I’m a “bad parent” for letting him watch me play is outright stupid. Video games don’t make bad children, the way they are raised makes bad children… example:

I read some comments about his GModigy video and I feel sorry for the people that bothered opening their stupid face. My son is extremely smart. He’s already counting and doing logic way above his age level. He’s also more computer savvy then most of you reading this… and most of the people commenting about how he’s being warped and all that bullshit. I feel sorry for your kids to be honest. If they aren’t spending quality time with you like my son is with me, then you’re just a terrible parent who probably touches their privates in the closet.

I love my children and do everything to raise them right. So get off your high horse.

Tags: aidan, discussion, Left 4 Dead, video.

Mac5738

Hey, I like the way you teach your son. Your son is really cute and smart. It reminds me the way that my mom teach me. Unfortunately, my parents don’t like to play games(because they don’t know how to play). Just keep teaching your son like this.
Mac5738

Hey, I like the way you teach your son. Your son is really cute and smart. It reminds me the way that my mom teach me. Unfortunately, my parents don’t like to play games(because they don’t know how to play). Just keep teaching your son like this.
Tbridge

Studies show that because you let your child play these games, he is 20% more likely to grow up as a murderer. Your son, is a murderer.
Tbridge

Studies show that because you let your child play these games, he is 20% more likely to grow up as a murderer. Your son, is a murderer.
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@Tbridge:

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Smartguy

Tbridge, I can make up imaginary stats as well.
“Studies” show that 13% of people who comment on this blog are complete idiots, conservatives, or both.

I liked the video and I completely agree with Brandon. In addition, it’s been proven by repeated studies and surveys that videogames aren’t linked to violence at all. In fact, I’ve known a prison guard once, and they made an in-house survey as well. Do you know what criminals played the most? You’d be surprised to learn they were sports gamers, such as Madden (if they even played at all). I’d go as far as to say that people who play violent games are otherwise more sane than the rest.
Smartguy

Tbridge, I can make up imaginary stats as well.
“Studies” show that 13% of people who comment on this blog are complete idiots, conservatives, or both.

I liked the video and I completely agree with Brandon. In addition, it’s been proven by repeated studies and surveys that videogames aren’t linked to violence at all. In fact, I’ve known a prison guard once, and they made an in-house survey as well. Do you know what criminals played the most? You’d be surprised to learn they were sports gamers, such as Madden (if they even played at all). I’d go as far as to say that people who play violent games are otherwise more sane than the rest.
Steele

Your son may or may not be very smart for his age, you aren’t and you also get awfully defensive and insulting towards people with a different opinion.

Fact is, not even a child psychologist could say what bad influence extremely violent media like that has on such an extremely young child, not that one would even dare to confront children with stuff like that. You’re not even a child psychologist, so you clearly have no clue about how much you could damage his mind.

You are not only a terrible parent, you show it to everyone and even defend your irresponsible behavior. Poor Aiden.
Steele

Your son may or may not be very smart for his age, you aren’t and you also get awfully defensive and insulting towards people with a different opinion.

Fact is, not even a child psychologist could say what bad influence extremely violent media like that has on such an extremely young child, not that one would even dare to confront children with stuff like that. You’re not even a child psychologist, so you clearly have no clue about how much you could damage his mind.

You are not only a terrible parent, you show it to everyone and even defend your irresponsible behavior. Poor Aiden.
Halcronus

Well I must say I parent the same way, me and my wife both believe that there isn’t an issue with things like this as long as your teaching them right from wrong. I also feel like sheltering your kids from the world does nothing but make them weaker when they actually have to face the real world in the future….it’s unavoidable it will happen.

I make it very clear to my son the difference between these two. I started gaming very young on the PC myself and it has actually helped me in ways most wouldn’t imagine. I now type very fast for never taking a typing class ever. I actually tested out of it for college.

Unlike Aiden my son isn’t as catching on as fast as the other kids in school, but we are working on that. Funny thing is even though he struggles remembering the alphabet correctly. I let him play left 4 dead 1 time and he remembered every key I taught him and what each one does. So it helped me in realizing that he’s not behind in school because he isn’t smart. It’s just not interesting enough for him so it’s helping us make a different approach in helping him learn.
Halcronus

Well I must say I parent the same way, me and my wife both believe that there isn’t an issue with things like this as long as your teaching them right from wrong. I also feel like sheltering your kids from the world does nothing but make them weaker when they actually have to face the real world in the future….it’s unavoidable it will happen.

I make it very clear to my son the difference between these two. I started gaming very young on the PC myself and it has actually helped me in ways most wouldn’t imagine. I now type very fast for never taking a typing class ever. I actually tested out of it for college.

Unlike Aiden my son isn’t as catching on as fast as the other kids in school, but we are working on that. Funny thing is even though he struggles remembering the alphabet correctly. I let him play left 4 dead 1 time and he remembered every key I taught him and what each one does. So it helped me in realizing that he’s not behind in school because he isn’t smart. It’s just not interesting enough for him so it’s helping us make a different approach in helping him learn.
Butler

“brandon
December 7, 2008 at 12:11 pm

@Tbridge:

What’s your address? I’ll have him visit you first.”

Hahahaha.
Butler

“brandon
December 7, 2008 at 12:11 pm

@Tbridge:

What’s your address? I’ll have him visit you first.”

Hahahaha.
Mark

Aidan is the video game equivalent of those 7 yearold guitar prodigies. Man if he was raised back in the days of quake and quake 2 he could have made some sweet deals with the Lan sponsors. He would have been the next fatal1ty. He can aim better with a mouse than most of my 20-something friends.

To all you elitist pricks that think you know how to raise Brandon’s kid better than him, you are obviously just jealous or envious of the way he can raise his child. If you weren’t so closed minded you could learn something from the way he is raising his child. You know you all wish your kid had the highly developed frontal lobe that Aidan has. His creativity is going to be through the roof. That kid is going to be an Engineer or Doctor some day making more than you or your kids ever will and you know that deep down.
Mark

Aidan is the video game equivalent of those 7 yearold guitar prodigies. Man if he was raised back in the days of quake and quake 2 he could have made some sweet deals with the Lan sponsors. He would have been the next fatal1ty. He can aim better with a mouse than most of my 20-something friends.

To all you elitist pricks that think you know how to raise Brandon’s kid better than him, you are obviously just jealous or envious of the way he can raise his child. If you weren’t so closed minded you could learn something from the way he is raising his child. You know you all wish your kid had the highly developed frontal lobe that Aidan has. His creativity is going to be through the roof. That kid is going to be an Engineer or Doctor some day making more than you or your kids ever will and you know that deep down.
KitaeK27

You make me want to have a child of my own.
KitaeK27

You make me want to have a child of my own.
Lunatic

Let me set the first thing clear:

If you play Left4Dead and Aidan watches you,and he likes it somehow and likes to play a Left4Dead Game in the living room,i seriously dont think that is a problem. Its okay. He knows obviously knows that this is something unreal,a game,only fun.

Later ive watched your second Video Modigy,and hell i have to say that one concerned me my friend. No matter how smart you son is,two years is is not a fuckin age to play such games.that is just how it is.
Your arguement about the bad world,and early confrontation with violence in order to make him strong IS NOT convincing.

It looks like your training him to be a good killer in Garrys Mod,i mean i know your not,but have a clinical look at this scene. Do you really think your son is going to learn about moral values in a computer game. There is no learn effect,he is only getting less sensitive to violence and guns. But it doesnt mean that hes taught to condemn those things in his life. He is getting used to the sight of guns,blood,dead….how often will he be confronted in real life with such things? as long as he doesnt have to go to fuckin iraque it will mainly remain on TV or INternet.

Take care of your son,he is just not old enough for this,no matter how smart he is. He doesnt possess a stronmg character yet to have an own opinion about this things.
Lunatic

Let me set the first thing clear:

If you play Left4Dead and Aidan watches you,and he likes it somehow and likes to play a Left4Dead Game in the living room,i seriously dont think that is a problem. Its okay. He knows obviously knows that this is something unreal,a game,only fun.

Later ive watched your second Video Modigy,and hell i have to say that one concerned me my friend. No matter how smart you son is,two years is is not a fuckin age to play such games.that is just how it is.
Your arguement about the bad world,and early confrontation with violence in order to make him strong IS NOT convincing.

It looks like your training him to be a good killer in Garrys Mod,i mean i know your not,but have a clinical look at this scene. Do you really think your son is going to learn about moral values in a computer game. There is no learn effect,he is only getting less sensitive to violence and guns. But it doesnt mean that hes taught to condemn those things in his life. He is getting used to the sight of guns,blood,dead….how often will he be confronted in real life with such things? as long as he doesnt have to go to fuckin iraque it will mainly remain on TV or INternet.

Take care of your son,he is just not old enough for this,no matter how smart he is. He doesnt possess a stronmg character yet to have an own opinion about this things.
Butler

I’m surprised to see how many people (Which includes you, Lunatic) apparently believe that the only parenting Aidan is getting is being plopped in front of the computer and being told “HEY…..do that…..see ya in a few days.” I’m 100% positive that Brandon is telling him the difference between live and L4D, how guns are bad unless your a cop something, and Gmod is for fun, not “training”, and most importantly how Bart can’t weld.

On another note. I can’t agree with you more Mark, and the “highly developed frontal lobe” thing made me giggle a bit
Butler

I’m surprised to see how many people (Which includes you, Lunatic) apparently believe that the only parenting Aidan is getting is being plopped in front of the computer and being told “HEY…..do that…..see ya in a few days.” I’m 100% positive that Brandon is telling him the difference between live and L4D, how guns are bad unless your a cop something, and Gmod is for fun, not “training”, and most importantly how Bart can’t weld.

On another note. I can’t agree with you more Mark, and the “highly developed frontal lobe” thing made me giggle a bit
Ian

All i just want to say is, everything you’ve done is right in my perspective; I’ve been playing all kinds of games ever since i was 5 and nothing is wrong with me and i believe the games i played helped me see what’s right and wrong
You and your kid are awesome! i believe he’ll be a good person and a great gamer
Ian

All i just want to say is, everything you’ve done is right in my perspective; I’ve been playing all kinds of games ever since i was 5 and nothing is wrong with me and i believe the games i played helped me see what’s right and wrong
You and your kid are awesome! i believe he’ll be a good person and a great gamer
Hallmar

Hey dude i think it is awesome how you let your kid play video games,and besides what boy doesn’t like First Person Shotter games:D.
Well im 13 and my parents always allow me to play violent games,lol except for my mom shes a little sensitive about blood and stuff;),
and you know some parents are always like ”oh my god he’s killing people in the video game!”
and hey hes probably gona be a great FPS player,maybe one of the best seya
Hallmar

Hey dude i think it is awesome how you let your kid play video games,and besides what boy doesn’t like First Person Shotter games:D.
Well im 13 and my parents always allow me to play violent games,lol except for my mom shes a little sensitive about blood and stuff;),
and you know some parents are always like ”oh my god he’s killing people in the video game!”
and hey hes probably gona be a great FPS player,maybe one of the best seya
Sauter

me thinks the average child knows the difference between video games and reality, especially ones with zombies. me knows that the theory of represented violence in video games has been disproven.
Sauter

me thinks the average child knows the difference between video games and reality, especially ones with zombies. me knows that the theory of represented violence in video games has been disproven.
SlaughterMelon

I think it’s ok to let a kid play a game such as, L4D, TF2, Halo, etc. if you explain what’s happening in the game. My main concern, especially with L4D, RE, Silent Hill, etc. would be if they can handle the “horror” in the game or not. If I was 4 or 5, L4D would scare the crap out of me. Of course, I don’t like horror movies, and I’m not a big fan of survival horror games….
SlaughterMelon

I think it’s ok to let a kid play a game such as, L4D, TF2, Halo, etc. if you explain what’s happening in the game. My main concern, especially with L4D, RE, Silent Hill, etc. would be if they can handle the “horror” in the game or not. If I was 4 or 5, L4D would scare the crap out of me. Of course, I don’t like horror movies, and I’m not a big fan of survival horror games….
SC0TTYDO0

There’s nothing wrong with your parenting style or your son. As long as he knows that fantasy is fantasy and reality is reality, what’s the problem?

My parents let me play pretty much any game I wanted when I was a kid. Heck I had Mortal Kombat on my old Sega Master System when it first came out and I was like 6. And since then I’ve played ‘gangsta sims’, FPSes, hunting games, fighting games, action, adventures and who knows what else… and yet in 21 years I’ve never been in a fight, never murdered anyone and I don’t even have a criminal record. Which, at the age of 21, is a pretty big achievement.

Don’t let the parents who want to keep their children in a plastic bubble in a cot all their lives say anything to you. Violence is like dirt for children, expose them to it and they’ll resist more, hide them from it and it’ll shake them to the core.

Peace out, and don’t forget to tell Aidan that Witches… they don’t like the light.
SC0TTYDO0

There’s nothing wrong with your parenting style or your son. As long as he knows that fantasy is fantasy and reality is reality, what’s the problem?

My parents let me play pretty much any game I wanted when I was a kid. Heck I had Mortal Kombat on my old Sega Master System when it first came out and I was like 6. And since then I’ve played ‘gangsta sims’, FPSes, hunting games, fighting games, action, adventures and who knows what else… and yet in 21 years I’ve never been in a fight, never murdered anyone and I don’t even have a criminal record. Which, at the age of 21, is a pretty big achievement.

Don’t let the parents who want to keep their children in a plastic bubble in a cot all their lives say anything to you. Violence is like dirt for children, expose them to it and they’ll resist more, hide them from it and it’ll shake them to the core.

Peace out, and don’t forget to tell Aidan that Witches… they don’t like the light.
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Dude, I watched the video a while ago when it was put up on L4D411, and I just now showed it to my wife, who thought it was awesome. Aiden is cute as hell and I can’t believe he was that good in Gmod so young.

Maybe you could give me some advice? My son is about a year old. I want him to have skillz like Aiden when he’s older, what should I do?
I was sheltered and I always hated my parents for it. Always. My first three tries in college I ended up smoking pot all day every day and dropped out. That’s what sheltering does.

Keep it up.
http://www.malforium.com Compy386

Dude, I watched the video a while ago when it was put up on L4D411, and I just now showed it to my wife, who thought it was awesome. Aiden is cute as hell and I can’t believe he was that good in Gmod so young.

Maybe you could give me some advice? My son is about a year old. I want him to have skillz like Aiden when he’s older, what should I do?
I was sheltered and I always hated my parents for it. Always. My first three tries in college I ended up smoking pot all day every day and dropped out. That’s what sheltering does.

Keep it up.
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